Sealed Codices Discovered: Revelation’s Seals of the Apocalypse?

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There has been an intriguing discovery.  Ancient codices inscribed on lead plates and bound together may describe events from the earliest point in Christianity.  I’m skeptical.  If these were discovered by archeologists, I’d be happier.  Instead, there is a story of these being found by a Bedouin in Jordan who then passed it on across into Israel.  Sounds suspicious, and there have been forgeries of religious artifacts in the past. 

However, assuming this is the real thing, we can speculate that these small codices may be the books mentioned in the Bible’s Book of Revelation.

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“Adding to the intrigue, many of the books are sealed, prompting academics to speculate they are actually the lost collection of codices mentioned in the Bible’s Book of Revelation.”

Could this artifact actually be the book described in Revelation 5:1-4?

“And I saw in the right hand of him that sat on the throne a book written within and on the backside, sealed with seven seals. And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon.”

Since these are made of lead, I assume we’d have to break the seals to open and read them.  We can’t use an X-ray.  The problem is in Revelation, breaking the seven seals will lead to the apocalypse as expressed by the metaphor of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse.  As described in Revelation 6, break the first seal and the White Horse appears, break the second seal, the Red Horse arrives, the third seal, the Black Horse, and so on. 

Is this discovery a Christian Pandora’s Box?  In Greek myth Pandora’s Box contained the world’s evils, all its devils, and when Pandora opened the box this evil was unleashed on the world.  If one of these sealed codices is actually the book mentioned in Revelation, could breaking the seals usher in the end of the world?

One of the sealed books pictured has seven rings sealing it, along with rings acting as a hinge on one side.  Let’s hope they are forgeries!  If not, then the appearance of these codices may not be a literal Pandora’s Box, but instead may be a sign, a portent, and an omen of doom.  To break the seals may be a fulfillment of prophecy!  If so, I suggest we don’t break the seals, and let the books remain sealed, mysterious artifacts.

44 Responses to “Sealed Codices Discovered: Revelation’s Seals of the Apocalypse?”

  1. lonnie blanchard Says:

    if that is the book of all evil then why dont you lock up the book forever and never go back to it again cause i dont think poeple in this world dont want the evil destroy the world ….. please lock it up and loss the passwords,keys, or anything that allows it to be unlocked please…… just dont bother with it please

  2. Rev. Barbara Sexton Says:

    You should have done more research, my friend.

    Some of the codices were found to be UNSEALED…and the ‘binder part’ appears to be on the ‘three rings side’.

    And just fyi, no human will/may open the seals, so there’s no point in warning anyone with your suggestion that the ‘seals not be broken’.

    To believers, this means that IF the ones who open them are humans, they will have been chosen by the Lord Himself to do so–like Judas was chosen by the Lord to do his dasdardly deeds.

    It’s out of your (and my) hands really.

    Read this: “1 I watched as the Lamb opened the first of the seven seals.” Rev. 6:1 (NIV) and you will understand better: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Revelation+6&version=NIV

    And check out my link for my ‘take’ on things http://dearoneshealingministry.blogspot.com/2011/03/recently-discovered-lead-codices-seals.html

    God Bless You,
    Rev Barb

  3. Pam K. Says:

    In Rev. 5;1-4, it is not a book, but a scroll. Also ONLY Jesus can open it or break the seals. Since anyone with a wire cutter could do this, it is definitely NOT the scroll that Christ will open. They may be some sort of early writings which may be very significant, but not anything that will usher in the tribulation. We have enough going on to see the “writing on the wall” and it’s coming soon; and So is He!!!!!

  4. David Says:

    Hi Barbara,
    In Revelation the Lamb (Jesus) opens the seals while in heaven, so this is a spiritual event. However, if one of these codices actually is the book mentioned in Revelation, then it is also a worldly event. The breaking of the physical seals may coincide with the spiritual event. A spiritual/physical connection often happens in the Bible.

    So what is there to fear for Christians in such an event? Well, I personally don’t believe in the rapture. The rapture is a belief where special Christens vanish into heaven while the rest of humanity suffers the apocalypse. Another name for Rapture is Wishful Thinking. I’d rather not experience the apocalypse in my lifetime, or the lifetime of anybody. However, if as I suspect, these codices are forgeries then we have nothing to worry about.
    Dave

  5. David Says:

    Hi Pam,
    Since Jesus will open the book or scroll this will be a spiritual event. However, that does not rule out an earthly connection. An example of the Bible’s spiritual/physical connection would the Ark of the Covenant (containing the physical ten commandants). One of these codices could be the earthly representation of the book in Revelation. If so, then opening it will only happen when it is meant to happen. Let’s hope not anytime soon!
    Dave

  6. Michelle Says:

    ‘And no man in heaven, nor in earth, neither under the earth, was able to open the book, neither to look thereon. And I wept much, because no man was found worthy to open and to read the book, neither to look thereon’.

    Has this not already been looked thereon? Taking that literally, we are looking thereon right now! It does not say thereIN….. :-$

  7. David Says:

    Hi Michelle,
    You have a point. I do wonder why anyone would want to open this book anyway, if it unleashes the apocalypse. We are fortunate nobody is worthy. Imagine weeping because nobody is worthy enough to start the apocalypse. That is a puzzling sentiment.
    Dave

  8. john green Says:

    not the book or scroll. may contain something important,but no man is worthy to “understand” it. commonly during ancient times a “seal” was made of WAX .lots of people are unworthy to do lots of things and still do, so doesnt mean someone wont open it, they just wont be worthy to do it.dont worry be happy…anyhow, isnt this what we are all waiting for anyhow…the end of this age and the return of Jesus Christ to usher in his divine rule in the Kingdom. Terrifying as it will be for these things to come, but come they must, and we should be glad, because he does promise it will be quick. The sooner the better I say………

  9. Jazz Says:

    I had a dream about these lead plates last night, so imagine my shock to find this post. In my dream, though, the plates were brand new and not yet sealed. I was with someone, someone who was smiling at me, but I’m not sure who they were.

  10. Jazz Says:

    (Upon waking, my first thought was not to lick the plates…since the plates were made of lead. My only fear to start the day was lead poisoning.)

  11. Anonymous Says:

    @David and anyone else interested…

    The importance of opening the book, is to bring about change in man. As in the time of Moses, God sent plagues only to convince the Pharaoh to let God’s people go. Even after all of the warnings and prophecies that came to pass, Pharaoh did not submit and let God’s people go till the last one, in which his first born was taken. Same is going on today, but in this case, “…every knee shall bow and every mouth shall confess…” It is crucial to have the events come to pass as it is written, because in the end, when all is said and done, we will have had the opportunity to turn away from sin and see God’s will for the good that it is. It will bring about the undoing of the sin of man. All part of a very perfect plan.

  12. In HIS grip! Says:

    The bible has many type of analogies. The rapture is like an old Jewish wedding (Google it…it is so cool and real!) and the scroll spoke of in the bible, in Revelations…could be like a title deed to earth? The bible says it had writing on both the inside and outside… which is interesting to note because it is like a title deed in a Kinsman Redeemer situation (which is where the brides husband dies and the wife, seen as the church, needs a new husband. The new husband is known as the Kinsman Redeemer and JESUS said HE is our Kinsman Redeemer. Also Jesus was tempted by Satan and he could not be tempted with the Kingdoms of the Earth with out it being a real temptation. Old Jewish traditions/laws of a Kinsman Redeemer show that the only one who is able to be our (true Christians) Kinsman Redeemer is JESUS himself and HE will be the one opening the seals on the scroll because HE is the only one worthy and by right of the law! NOTHING happens by coincidence although this could be a hoax find? Ohhh, one more thought, Lead is often spoke of as sin in the bible so it is interesting they are made of lead. The bigger question here is….do you believe JESUS died for your sins and that you need HIM as your Redeemer? The seals seem scary to those who do NOT know HIM. HE said we are NOT destined to wrath that believe in HIM and HE will protect HIS bride. Study the book of Ruth…Boaz was her Kinsman Redeemer and the nearer Kinsman spoken of that could NOT preform was possibly “The Law”? Ruth was also at the feet of Boaz during the Harvest where she was kept safe/hid while the harvest was completed. We get the word tribulation (like the Tribulation period spoke of in the bible that the seals when opened cause) from the Tribunin (Tools used to crush the wheat or barley) I could go on and on. Scripture proves scripture…. so don’t take my word for it…look into it because it is eternity we are talking about in the end. As the bible says, HE loves us All and HE is the way, the truth and the light… NO ONE comes to the Father except through HIM! In HIS grip!

  13. Layla Says:

    I am interested in knowing which version of the bible everyone in referring to? I mean honestly there are LITERALLY dozens of interpretations. The oldest surviving bibles are from the 4th century and they were translated by a bunch of cloistered monks (no agenda there- sarcasm). My point is that there are many different holy books out there, who knows which one (if any) are the correct version.

    Also, MAN not GOD put these words to paper/ lead/ papyrus and it is evident that many of these words are based in MAN’s own prejudices and knowledge base. The author’s were smart,they used the fear tactic of an omniscient overlord to maintain societal submission. Organized religion has historically been used to control the masses.

    So pretty much if the “apocalypse” does happen it will be MAN’s own doing. Quite honestly the biggest/baddest evil I have ever seen comes right out of men/women and surprisingly most of them claim to be Christians…

  14. David Says:

    Hi all,
    Thanks for the interesting comments. I suspect if the apocalypse happens someday, the cause will not be humanity’s wickedness, but humanity’s foolishness. If we compare today to the time of the ancient Roman Empire, the modern world is far less wicked. Humanity has evolved. We don’t crucify people; we don’t own slaves. The global economy has made another world war an anachronism. The Kings of the East don’t need to invade the world to conquer it, they can buy it. The possibility of the Horsemen of the Apocalypse seems to be fading away, not becoming more certain.

    Unless we destroy the earth through depletion of resources and climate change. If our environment were to rapidly and radically change, we may not be able to support the world’s population and that could lead to a global war as societies collapsed. God would not cause the apocalypse; we would because of our near-sighted folly. If humanity is willing to destroy the planet to earn an extra dollar, our destruction is our own fault, not God’s.
    Dave

  15. Brett Says:

    Very good way of explaining it Dave, we have only ourselves to blame for any destruction that happens to our world. (other than external forces like meteors)In some beliefs and texts, 2012 “end of the world” or the apocalypse in general is not mass destruction and damnation but a spiritual enlightenment, a mass evolution in the way we think and how we perceive the world. I believe we are heading that way currently. Not total destruction, but enlightenment. We are tired of the way we suffer and we are actively trying to change.

  16. In HIS Grip! Says:

    The New Testament is in the Old Testament concealed…
    the Old Testament is in the New Testament revealed. I use the KJV only. You are right there are many newer “bibles” made to change the originals so they fit mans desire to NOT be accountable to GOD. This is spoke about in the bible. Have you ever heard of the bible codes? There are many different types that are real and have been scientifically proven. Just looking at only one type of code…called the Heptadic (7) Structures it occur in over 600 passages of the bible.
    The chances of Multiples of 7 being in there like they are, in writing, is unfathomable!!!
    It is known that it would take 1,000,000 supercomputers 4,300,000 years to just make 34 of these Heptadic Structures occur. Again, that is with only attempting to make 34 distinctive features of sevens! Even the original writes could NOT humanly do this, nor would they be alive long enough to do so! Also how do you account for the fact that the other books with the same codes were written sometimes thousands of years before the other? You must actually take the time to look at the evidence. I believe this is an example of just one of numerous signatures of GOD in the bible. BTW: Seven is known as Spiritual Completion in the bible…the number of GOD? Interesting there are 7 seals, 7 bowls, 7 trumpets, 7 years of tribulation etc…

    You can check out what I am saying anywhere or for good reference go here…

    http://www.christdefense.com/documents/how_we_got_our_bible.pdf

    The world has gotten worse…we don’t crucify known criminals…we kill innocent children in the name of convenience. We are all wicked. You are right about us causing the apocalypse. The bible says…”If MY people will humble themselves and turn form their wicked ways I will heal their land.” We also get the rulers we deserve. We deserve a lot…that is why I am so thankful for the bible. HIS sheep hear HIS voice and follow HIM.

    Have you ever researched the prophecies of the bible? That would help skeptics get the proof they seem to need.

  17. Arthur Says:

    i like this website of how he knew about the japan inccedent from Nostradamus and how he under stood him in what he said

  18. Jay Says:

    A lot of you speak of this book as if its opening will usher in the end times prophecy, all while claiming your devotion and love to God. What are you afraid of? Why are you afraid of Gods plan? If there is any connection to the sealed books of Revelation, and if this unsealing brings on the events of Revelation, I say we go for it. I’m ready for God to being putting an end to these times, so that we become one step closer to God.

    I know we are very close, if you don’t see God’s plan unfolding in the events of the world, I do not believe you are looking with open eyes (mind).

  19. David Says:

    Hi Jay,

    Personally, I don’t see the apocalypse as a good thing. Perhaps the apocalypse is inevitable, and prophecy is merely stating that fact. I don’t see God either causing or desiring the apocalypse. The apocalypse will be of our own making. Free will is a gift and a curse. Humanity, all of us, with our full knowledge and participation, will destroy our planet.

    Maybe the only thing that can prevent the approaching apocalypse is humanity’s enlightenment and spiritual awakening. Ideologies both political and religious are working hard against any enlightenment. To destroy future generations or ourselves so we can earn a profit is madness. But it’s our choice.

    Dave

  20. Jay Says:

    I agree that it will be of our own doing, as such is the basis of free will. And thankfully there is a God to step in and fix the problem when free will leads us the brim of self-destruction. While I can’t say the apocalypse is a good thing, considering the horrible events which will unfold, I still cannot say it is a bad thing as it is a part of the plan that is set to take place. And I said before, I can’t wait for the events to unfold, as I sit here completely uncomfortable in this world. The choices we make, as a human population, are overwhelmingly disgusting. There are a lot of very good people in the world, but in an overall general sense, through the people who lead us, we find a very bleak picture.

    We go to war.
    We let others starve.
    We discriminate.
    We lack the basic concept of love.

    It’s no wonder we don’t understand God, we don’t even understand the essence of love.

    I know there is a better set of circumstances in which we could live, and I know there is only one way, and that it will be done. Hardship, wrath, life like we’ve never dealt with before. It will happen, but I am ready and willing.

  21. In HIS Grip! Says:

    To be concise the bible says the men of the earth will actually be fighting against GOD (Jesus) himself in the apocalypse. Rev 19:19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.

    I would also like to address the people that do not believe in the rapture of the church before the end of the apocalyse…how do you explain the following verse…
    Rev 19:14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.

    Who are these on the horses clothed in fine linen and clean? The rapture is a blessed hope to ALL Christians.

    Also..to be sure I am quoting the bible correctly…the bible verse I was referring to above is…

    2Chronicals 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves,and pray, and seek my face,and turn from their wicked ways; then will hear from heaven,and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    Which are 7 things total. (humble, pray, seek, turn, hear, forgive, heal)

  22. David Says:

    Hi Grip,
    Personally, I find it hard to accept the rapture. We can interpret Revelation in many ways. With the verse you mention, how do we know it’s the raptured following on white horses? They could easily be those spirits of the already dead. Revelations also states that Christians will be persecuted and massacred during the apocalypse. Some say those are Christians who became Christian AFTER the rapture. That sounds like splitting hairs/wishful thinking. Revelations clearly states Christians will suffer horribly during the apocalypse.

    Another reason the rapture won’t happen is because it shows favoritism to one religion over another. Will righteous Muslims also be raptured? Or Hindus? Mormons? How about Catholics? Or only those who accept a narrow theological view of what constitute salvation, like the Seventh Day Adventists?

    I don’t expect God to play favorites. Either everybody gets raputred, or no one.
    Dave

  23. Karen Says:

    to David: I have never seen anything in the bible that points to one religion. There are many, many different religions that believe knowing GOD and havig him your heart is the only way to get to heaven. To: In his grip, well said on everything. I believe also all the ones that do not want to believe the facts of the rapture are scared beacause they are not saved and I hope they get right with GOD before their end here on earth. I myself am looking forward to getting to heaven (not that I want to die today) but my daughter is there now waiting on me and I can’t wait to see her again!

  24. David Says:

    Hi Karen,
    Only my own view, we all face a personal apocalypse/rapture when we die. My mom, a devote Catholic suffered a horrific death from pancreas cancer. I watched as she turned yellow from jaundice as her feet swelled like balloons, crying in pain, and there was no cure. What could the apocalypse possible offer worse then that? Everyday people of faith (or without) face their own apocalypse without a rapture.

    I’ll be frank. I think rapture theology is a way for preachers to preach the end times without disturbing their flock. Without a rapture…who’d want to listen to the harsh reality of the end times? It would turn people off. Rapture is sugar coating a very disturbing reality.
    Dave

  25. In HIS Grip Says:

    Hi David~

    I am sorry to hear about your Mom. You seem to be searching and looking for the truth…I say all of this in deep respect for that. Please also know the apocalypse is the wrath of GOD himself on all mankind.

    The following verse about the rapture is not my view…as my view does not matter when it comes to the bible (GODS WORD)…the bible speaks for it’s self…

    But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not precede them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. -1 Thessalonians 4:13-18

    FYI: The Brethren are ONLY people who are in CHRIST…It does not say Allah, Buddah or any other. It “feels good” to see things this way….but it is NOT what the bible says. As a matter of fact, GOD, A.K.A. JESUS CHRIST said that Christians are to love people who kill them or their children for any reason…because of HIS love that is now in them. I have seen death of people in my immediate family too…they are now asleep in CHRIST…but the beheading of my own children??? I cannot fathom that, however, (To Layla who wrote above) NO person, Christian or not is perfect or free from sin…we are ALL equal in sinning. The difference is GOD said,in the bible, HE paid the price for our sins completely and JESUS death/resurrection is the only reason Christians are justified in the eyes of GOD. Ephesians 2:8-9 says…For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. When this free gift is realized and we see ourselves as the real sinners we ALL are…change will occur. The god of Muslim’s tell them to kill me because they do NOT want the change of my GOD that say to love and do not kill. We are told NOT to kill people…we are to pray for them and allow them to work it out with GOD. GOD does NOT force anyone to come to HIM.

    The bible also says we…the believers in JESUS CHRIST blood atonement for our sins…are NOT destined to wrath. HE says HE chastens and rebukes his children so we can grow in being more like HIM…but does NOT punish HIS own.

    HE also takes HIS believers out before HE judges a nation. This final judgment will be on the entire world…so we must leave. People who come to HIM after that are saved but go through the tribulation…they might be beheaded if the do not take the mark of the beast AND worship the beasts image. What does worshiping an image have to do with being able to buy or sell things with money? Hmmmm…. HE warns HIS people in advance and the bible prophecies being fulfilled so quickly now are HIS warnings that is is near! Look into the story of Noah, Sodom and Gomorrah etc…

    Judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the Gospel of God?” (1Peter 4:17)

    When the rapture happens before the wrath of GOD takes place…CHRISTIANS are brought to the LORD’S House…where will the Muslim’s be? Down here bringing about Armageddon, which is in Israel where the Muslims like to wage war against GODs people? (They believe they must create world chaos to bring their Imam into the world, their “god of war”!) Beheading people? Fighting against the GOD of the bible is their sole desire? They war against Jews (New Testament believers) and Christians every day. Hmmmm…..

    I often have to ask myself…Who are you serving… yourself, the world or your Creator who made it all?

    Then I ask who am I believing in, my own spirit, the worlds spirit or my Creators?

    I then search for the truth …

    1 John 4: 1 says Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.

    John 10:28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any [man] pluck them out of my hand.

    I am in HIS grip! Praise be to GOD alone.

  26. The Lion of Judah Says:

    I opened them .they were opened over a year ago.Tribulation has begun.
    People do not believe but that does not mean it is not real.Look around you.has the world changed since december 2009?I think it has.Dead birds and fish.Wars,civil strife,economic disaster,earthquakes ,tsunamis,volcanoes,food shortage.Are you confident I am a liar and a nutcase or maybe I am telling you the truth.Open your eyes because very very soon many tribulations will come onto the world.

  27. David Says:

    Hi In His Grip,
    My own religious beliefs are best described as esoteric Universalism. Esoteric in that I seek my own spiritual enlightenment. I don’t trust anyone’s interpretation of scriptures. Which means I’m also wrong like everybody else. Since religion is not a science, I think Universalism is the way to go. If we don’t have the answer, embrace all answers, but trust none of them!
    Dave

  28. In HIS Grip Says:

    Hi Dave~
    Here goes…Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needn’t not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. I see you are studying the bible but I feel you may be against any form of real truth??? If I understand you correctly…you assert that there are no absolutes about anything except that there are no absolutes about everything. Hmmmm… If everyone’s WAY is right and everyone WAY is wrong thus we should embrace all of them but trust none of them…how do you enlighten anything. That is utter darkness. Light divides the darkness. If a person embraces all religions then they are a hypocrite. How can a person kill in the name of Allah and say…”Though shall NOT kill” in the name of JESUS. You can’t say I do neither…I just have my own “way and truth because of my own enlightenment” that I live by….because then you play GOD yourself and we cannot all be our own GOD or GOD himself, the one who created everything. That there is living like the above….in darkness and chaos. However, if you think this is also possibly correct….since there is no way to know for sure if it is truth…then no one has to answer to anyone or anything and there is no right or wrong…everyone should do as they wish from moment to moment? No worries…we will all get along and life will be great, right???

    Also, I feel people do seek their own spiritual enlightenment if they have the ability to be aware of self and the world around them. We cannot deny there is a GOD…this ALL did NOT happen by accident. Romans 1:20 says – For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse.

    Are you part of the “they” above? The reason I ask is, if you trust nothing, including the bible… this must include others, yourself and GOD. You would have to rely on your own WAY(which you don’t trust either) and the real GOD is not acknowledged or if he is… he can be easily dismissed moment by moment when things go against what you feel is your own “right way”.Psalm 14:1a The fool says in his heart, “There is no God.”

    If you do believe in GOD…is he your own self made one…made and created by you, for you, and through you.

    If so, please tell me where you get any source of truth or enlightenment from him? How do you know he, the Universal GOD of ALL religions,is truth too? If not who is he? How do you know then if anything is the truth unless GOD tells you? Maybe GOD is telling you but you keep accepting ALL of the man made gods???

    In the bible, who claims to be written by GOD himself, not men. It says inspired word of GOD…. not the inspired word of the apostles.

    It says…. John 17:17 “Thy Word is Truth.”

    JESUS is the WORD…the WAY, the TRUTH and the LIGHT.

    You are either for HIM or against HIM. Revelations 3:16 says… So, because you are lukewarm, and neither hot nor cold, I will vomit you out of my mouth.

  29. David Says:

    Hi In His Grip,
    I am not saying every religion is wrong. I am saying every religion is right. Christianity is correct in its values. So are Islam, and Buddhism, and other faiths. People can find salvation in many ways. What I don’t believe in is salvation thru theology and dogma. Belief in dogma does not save anyone. 1 Corinthians 13 agrees with me. One can be the greatest religious believer in the world and it does not matter. Without love religion is pointless. If anyone suggests people of other religions are eternally damned because of a difference in beliefs, that person does not understand love. Salvation come thru love, not dogma.
    Dave

  30. In HIS Grip! Says:

    Dave, I feel really bad for you. You are saying, now, that all religions are right and none are wrong. If this really is truth…how is that even possible? To know the truth you must know what is truthful and measure against such and if it is the truth then it will not fail because it is all the same message and story! Different religions are different thus they cannot all be sending the same message. Allah tells his followers it is okay to lie and murder…mine says to never lie or murder. Which is right and who judges what is wrong? Shoud we as human beings who are all sinful and need saving from ourselves, the world and the dEVIL which loves this kind of thinking/false religions be the judge? NO! Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is , and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

    To me, this position of yours for (yet also against) the bible…proves the point above that you are in darkness. You are picking and choosing your own dogma and making your own “religion”. Made by you, for you and through the worlds many religions who all are in contradiction to each other. Satan is the deceiver! He is the king of subtility. He does not just come out and say a lie. He tells all kinds of truths and then inserts just one lie that makes it all wrong. Where is your accountability to love…as the truth is what you “feel” it is, it may be one way today and may be different tomorrow? This kind of love is fickle and self serving. Truth is love.

    I also do not want or need any religion either. I have a relationship with GOD himself. How can your “religion” or dogma be a relationship with your maker (GOD) if you accept all the worlds gods as GOD. You cannot know or serve the GOD of the bible in love if you reject what he tells you! Your religion/dogma is NOT going to save you or serve you well. I feel you must be trying to save your self from yourself and do not understand you are powerless to save yourself from our maker who is a perfect and just GOD.

    About LOVE, if I did not love you I would not tell you the truth and all of this. I would NOT spend my time writing back and forth here either. Remember, there are people killing CHRISTians for even talking about the bible or having the book for thousands of years…and there is coming a day when I may die to help people like you even hear the truth. Why do you think the bible is the most hated of all religions? Why am I hated for telling people what it says when I do not force them to do anything about what it says? They choose to do nothing except make laws that want to kill or put me in jail for just telling others what the bibles says. Really? Why the anger and unloving attitude towards it or people who live by it? I think it is because it has the audacity to say it is actually GOD writing it! Does that not hold people accountable to make a decision in why they are believing what they are believing and shows who they actually serve. Where do you give your life for another? That is the ultimate love! That is what JESUS did for everyone and, yes, the bible says….Jhn 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
    19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.

    Will you go willingly where you want now, because I have told you the truth and you cannot deny your logic does not add up. You go where you go because you relied on yourself and were only accountable to your self and your own truths. How is that loving at all?

  31. David Says:

    Hi Grip,
    I completely support you in believing what you want to believe. It is a wonderful world when we can pick and choose what to believe. Among my friends are Pentecostals, active pagans and many Catholics. Knowing people with many different faiths, I realized there is little difference between them. I don’t see a difference between the Pentecostal and the pagan and their value as human beings. God loves them both.

    This topic is actually the cover story of Time magazine. Is Hell Dead?
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20110414/us_time/08599206508000

    Pastor Rob Bell opened Pandora’s Box with the evangelical community when he suggested non-Christians don’t automatically go to hell in his new book: Love Wins: A Book About Heaven, Hell, and the Fate of Every Person Who Ever Lived.

    I think Pastor Bell hits the nail on the head with this:
    A visitor to the exhibit had stuck a note next to the Gandhi quotation: “Reality check: He’s in hell.” Bell was struck.
    Really? he recalls thinking.
    Gandhi’s in hell?
    He is?
    We have confirmation of this?
    Somebody knows this?
    Without a doubt? And that somebody decided to take on the responsibility of letting the rest of us know?

  32. In HIS Grip! Says:

    Hi to Everyone,

    I need to clarify a few points… as I was writing rather quickly when I responded to Dave.

    I said in my previous post….”Please also know the apocalypse is the wrath of GOD himself on all mankind.”

    I should have used the bible’s own words, my apologies for writing “all”. To quote the bible correctly…Revelation Ch 14 verse 10-11 The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb:11And the smoke of their torment ascendeth up for ever and ever: and they have no rest day or night, who worship the Beast and his image, and whosoever receiveth the mark of his name.

    Secondly, Mathew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no [man], no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. As when a Jewish wedding took place in days of old…the bride did not know when her groom would be able to come get her for the wedding. Only the father knew that and told his son when to go after he had completed usually an addition to the fathers home for the bride and groom to live in. John 14:3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also. As my own conjecture stated before…I think it will occur before the Great Tribulation as so many other verses show this but only GOD knows the exact time. FYI: The elect referred to in Mathew are not the church if you agree with pre trib as they say they are the people who come to know CHRIST after the rapture and the 144,000 in Israel.

    To say that the word in the bible called harpazo (great snatching away…where rapture comes into play)is only a “sugar coating a very disturbing reality” is sad to hear when so much is written about it to the contrary. None of this blessed hope of the rapture matters to people who do not accept CHRIST anyways…so this is a mute point for them and I wish it were not so…but we all choose whom we will serve. I pray that all would look to find the truth.

  33. In HIS Grip! Says:

    To Dave:

    If you look at my questions and actually answer them you cannot deny that what you put forth is misguided at the least. But you will not do this…

    I leave you with this…

    “Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. So the servants of the householder came and said unto him, Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares? He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.”
    Matthew 13:24-30, KJV

    “He answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man; The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; The enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels. As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world. The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.”
    Matthew 13:37-43, KJV

    and Dave, I pray that you are worthy in your own might because I know I am NOT in mine! Thank you LORD JESUS!

  34. Muzaffar Says:

    I’m neither standing with the Elkingtons, nor with any Consensus or pressure group. I just want to make my point that texts has been written on lead before and after first century AD. One can’t change this fact even if he or she doesn’t have much confidence in my academic credentials.
    For details of other Leaden Books please consult:
    1. An Inquiry into the Nature and form of the books of the ancients… 1873 London Pp 28-35
    2. Septuaginta-Studien. II. 1904 Pp.14-17
    3. The Gnostics and their Remains. London Pp.147-153
    4. Une Excursion Gnostique en Italie.Paris 1852. Plate I tillplate.xii
    5. The Septuagent in context. Brill 2000. Pp.267-268
    6. Ancient Jewish Magic. Pp.114 and 144-146 etc.
    7. Curse Tablets and binding spells from the ancient world.Oxford. 1992

    And what about Job 19:24.
    Muzaffar
    archeohistorian@gmail.com

  35. David Says:

    Hi Grip,

    There is another version of hell…the life review experienced by people who had near-death OTB experiences. In this life-reivew, they experienced all the good and bad they ever did to everyone thru their life. They felt the joy they gave others, and the deepest regret for even the slightest harm they did others.

    Imagine if Hitler had to experience all the pain he caused to others, all of it…and suffer what millions suffered because of him, each and every one. To suffer as each individual suffered, millions of lives. That would be a true hell. Which is a good reason for people to behave…whatever we do unto others, we’ll experience ourselves, no escape. We all have our own judgment day according to widely documented near-death experience studies (and the Bible).

    When my mom had a week to live, she laid her head down on my lap. I thought…how I regretted all the times I was abrupt with her, or hurt her feelings, or was unkind. I had my own life-review then, recalling the times I was mean to my mom. How many of us thoughtlessly hurt those we love…spouse, children, parents, friends. This is why forgiveness is so necessary. We need to ask forgiveness for those we hurt, and to forgive those who hurt us…before we face our life-review/judgment day. We can’t change the past, except thru forgiveness.

    Dave

  36. In HIS Grip! Says:

    Now you are getting what I am saying Dave! :) I was once where you are. I am no better than you or anyone! You are also right there is a GOD and we all will be judged. Here is where GOD gives us hope and freedom to humans who accept HIS free gift of full pardon…from that day of true judgment by a righteous GOD through HIS son JESUS.

    Psalms 103 verses 10-14 10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to our iniquities. 11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, so great is his mercy toward them that fear him. 12 As far as the east is from the west, so far hath he removed our transgressions from us. 13 Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him. 14 For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust.

    Jeremiah 31:34 (KJV) 34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

    Hebrews 8:12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.

    I am not using my words but the bible who claims to be GOD and proves it if a person will seek the truth and answer the hard questions it poses? Everyday I am answering hard questions as I read HIS word and the more I grow in CHRIST the more I see my own sin(s), the more I see I need HIM and the more powerful and pure HE appears…also, the more truth HE shows…the more I am grateful to HIM. Romans 8:15 For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry , Abba, Father. Dave, this is what I want for you and everyone…to become children of the true GOD…to know you are forgiven is peace and joy!!! How can people help others or do the “right things in life” if they live for themselves and out of fear and guilt. I want to always try to move though HIM because of the goodness of GOD, because HE has redeemed us and loves me in a way no human can love …not out fear of condemnation and eternal personal judgment of everything I have done in my life or watching what others have done to me. What freedom and what use is that unless I refuse to see I am a pathetic and sinful being who needs redeeming and know I CANNOT redeem myself? Written below is where the guilt comes from and here is where we are set free…even in heaven…

    Revelation 12:10-1110 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down , which accused them before our God day and night. 11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

    Satan is the accuser we overcome by JESUS!

    As for a judgment seat? Is there a difference between what the bible calls a Bema seat for believers and a Great White Throne Judgment for non believers? I think so…

    Romans 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

    About the Bema Seat… (known as a place for where trophies and such are given)1 Corinthians 9:24-25 Know ye not that they which run in a race run all, but one receiveth the prize? So run, that ye may obtain. 25 And every man that striveth for the mastery is temperate in all things. Now they do it to obtain a corruptible crown; but we an incorruptible.

    I pray for an incorruptible crown that I may throw at HIS feet since all that I do through HIM is because of HIM so I have no right to accept any praise! Isiah 64:6 ….all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags;

    2 Corinthians 5:10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

    1 Corinthians 3:11 For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.12 Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;13 Every man’s work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man’s work of what sort it is.14 If any man’s work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.15 If any man’s work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire. (KJV)

    Hay, wood and stubble are things built above ground for everyone to see…gold silver precious stones are underneath. Could the rewards for believers be for the things done in CHRIST and the loss are the things that are unworthy so they are burned up and we suffer a loss because we could have done more had we lived for HIM, through HIM and not for the world? My hay, wood and stubble is the work of my own hands through me, for me… for the world to see!

    For if believers are justified by grace which was given to us by JESUS which means the dissolution of all that is self-centered, sinful, (done for self, by self through self or the world not GOD) such things by definition will not “survive.” On the other hand, what was offered in the strength of the Holy Spirit and in the name of Christ will have effects that eternally abide within the very existence and praise of the redeemed community and the life of God at the last day

    Now let’s read about the Great White Throne. Was this not where Caesar was judging CHRIST and where death or punishment occurs? Hmmm…

    Rev 20:11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. 14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire. (KJV)

    You asked me if I know these things to be the truth? I am telling you YES…by the authority of the bible alone. By what authority do you know you are living in truth? Really?

    Isaiah 28:15, 18, KJV “Because ye have said, We have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge, and under falsehood have we hid ourselves . . . And your covenant with death shall be disannulled, and your agreement with hell shall not stand; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, then ye shall be trodden down by it.”

    Dave, what if what I am telling you is correct? If so, are you willing to dismiss the GOD of the bible because of your beliefs on how GOD should be? In your eyes he is many little gods as one, right? HE says…

    “But The Lord is the true God, He is the living God, and an everlasting king: at His wrath the earth shall tremble, and the nations shall not be able to abide His indignation. Thus shall ye say unto them, The gods that have not made the heavens and the earth, even they shall perish from the earth, and from under these heavens.” (Jeremiah 10:10-11 KJV)

    Ohh Dave, ughhhhh….I say all this to uplift you as there is also freedom in what the bible says…not judgment alone.

  37. In HIS Grip Says:

    Just found this site and wanted to let you see what it says about the harvests of barley, wheat and grapes. Remember Ruth was at the foot of Boaz (Her Kinsman Redeemer read Levorite marriage) when the harvest took place.http://www.therapturesite.com/harvest.html

    Also, this site is about a Kinsman Redeemr situation when debt is owed… Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] death; but the gift of God [is] eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord. This is very interesting stuff in light of what the bible says… http://www.angelfire.com/nt/theology/hb02-11.html

    I find it is easier to understand the bible when one understand the old jewish traditions, however,we only know what we do know becasue of GODs revealing it.

    Reading the bible and understanding it in it’s entirety is like trying to drink the ocean with a little tea cup! It’s depths are endless and ohh so amazing!

    1 Corinthians 2:10-12. “But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God . . . the things of God knoweth no man, but the Spirit of God. Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.”

    Who is the natural man here below? A spirituality enlightened man of GOD?

    “But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.” 1 Corinthians 2:14.

  38. in HIS Grip Says:

    “This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves,…Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth.” – 2nd Timothy 2: 1-2, 5-7

  39. PutYHWH1st Says:

    @ in HIS Grip Do you have a FB or website.. I like your info. Yah bless all. These artifacts could be just more proofs of Israel and Scripture existing and being true to the deniers.

  40. In HIS Grip Says:

    Hi PutYHWH1st

    Thanks…I do not claim to know a whole lot but find the bible so amazing and filled with universal truth that I cannot help but talk about it and want others truly free indeed, as I am too! I wish Dave would have given actual answers to the questions I asked so we both could speak about the real truth going on in our lives here as humans and the best course of action. Any ways, I do not have a web site or FB, sorry. I hope you are being filled with HIS truth and finding peace in these wicked days. Ephesians 5:15-16 “15See then that ye walk circumspectly, not as fools, but as wise,16Redeeming the time, because the days are evil.”

    To all those who are still “on the fence” I leave you with these words from the GOD of the bible who claims to be your creator, the only way, the only truth and judge of all…

    Isaiah 55 v 6-76 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:7 Let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts: and let him return unto the LORD, and he will have mercy upon him; and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.
    8 For my thoughts [are] not your thoughts, neither [are] your ways my ways, saith the LORD.9 For [as] the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

    I hope you seek HIM (JESUS) while HE can be found because…

    Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philip. 2:9-11

    So what will you do if you are wrong and are running from HIM…will you escape? This last verse is so fitting for you and myself included… as we are ALL sinners!

    Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners; and purify your hearts, you double minded.James 4:8

    In HIS grip… not my holding on keeps me safe… thanks be to GOD alone!

  41. In HIS Grip Says:

    Hi David~

    Been a while since I looked at this site. I hope all is well with you! Have you thought anymore about our conversations above?

    Here is something new to post on your site…

    I was wondering what you thought about Isiah 9:10 and the possibility that GOD is going to judge America for their arrogance in playing god themselves or going after other non gods in worship? It appears HE will keep warning us if this conjecture is true…. and still, then we will not heed HIS warnings? Will we continue to try to build our “financial temple” at ground zero. Will we continue to think we are a nation that has nothing to fear…especially GOD himself? We American’s think we do not need HIM and have gone out of our way to remove HIM from our schools, government and lives. There is no such thing as a separation of church and state. Our leaders are leading the masses astray in their own efforts for gain. We were founded as a CHRISTian nation and we are walking away from that!

    Question….

    If one thinks there are many ways to GOD they are thus denying the true GOD of all gods in the bible so why would they ever need HIM unless he shows them who they are placing their trust in (financially, spiritually, etc…. )as nations and individuals?

    Maybe people deny the true GOD because the GOD of the bible says HE IS GOD and they must repent of their sins….that they are not enlightenment to their problems or the worlds…they are their own problem? Due to sin!

    See link here…
    http://www.cbn.com/media/player/index.aspx?s=/mp4/SUB109_JonathanCahn_010312_WS

    This is to me…

    2Chronicals 7:14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves,and pray, and seek my face,and turn from their wicked ways; then will hear from heaven,and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.

    As you know, I am a CHRISTian, strongly noted, so please feel free to send this along to everyone you know who is a CHRISTian because we are the ones who need to repent for the healing to begin as non CHRISTians already say they will not repent nor do they need GOD. But remember this too… as this is for all non CHRISTains…

    1 Peter 4:17 (KJV) For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God?

    in HIS glorious grip! All my love to you David. I wish we could chat on the phone someday?

    Are we a nation of fools now that GOD is no longer wanted here?

  42. In HIS Grip Says:

    I forgot…maybe I should add some of the verses that are in question? That our own government leaders keep using in their own speeches. Thanks!

    9And all the people shall know, even Ephraim and the inhabitant of Samaria, that say in the pride and stoutness of heart,

    10The bricks are fallen down, but we will build with hewn stones: the sycomores are cut down, but we will change them into cedars.

    11Therefore the LORD shall set up the adversaries of Rezin against him, and join his enemies together;

    12The Syrians before, and the Philistines behind; and they shall devour Israel with open mouth. For all this his anger is not turned away, but his hand is stretched out still.

    13For the people turneth not unto him that smiteth them, neither do they seek the LORD of hosts.

    14Therefore the LORD will cut off from Israel head and tail, branch and rush, in one day.

    15The ancient and honourable, he is the head; and the prophet that teacheth lies, he is the tail.

    16For the leaders of this people cause them to err; and they that are led of them are destroyed.

  43. David Says:

    Hi His Grip,
    Thanks for the interesting comments. I think sin is misunderstood. Sin is the lack of love. And since we all love imperfectly, we live in sin. Yes, sin is everywhere! Just because we have faith in a religious doctrine does not mean we live in love. Salvation comes thru love and not belief. The bible even states this:

    “Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity(love), I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal. And though I have the gift of prophecy, and understand all mysteries, and all knowledge; and though I have all faith, so that I could remove mountains, and have not charity(love), I am nothing. And though I bestow all my goods to feed the poor, and though I give my body to be burned, and have not charity(love), it profiteth me nothing.”

    The bible clear states dogma is useless without love. And who can know love? Anyone can regardless of their belief. The Muslim, the Jew, the Hindu, the Pagan, the non-believer are all equal in they can love. Love is fair and just and universal. The world needs salvation to prevent self-destruction, and this will only come with love for all humanity regardless of anyone’s beliefs.
    Dave

  44. In HIS grip Says:

    Hello David. It is EASTER today and you came to my heart. I hope you are doing well!

    Some seem to like to feel they know about a lot of spiritual things and are leading people in their own human view of salvation/commandments or no need for salvation, maybe? But they too have no answers for the hard questions that the bible poses?

    You are working hard, labouring on helping others become “enlightened” with your words of knowledge.

    About your last post…
    Again,I say from the bible…Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

    SIN IS UNIVERSAL TOO, agreed???!!!

    It is not a matter of how much we as humans can TRY to “love” each other, even as sinful humans….it is how much we are all guilty of sin as we TRY to love. We ALL need a savior. I choose CHRIST because HE has proven HIMSELF in HIS word and expects me to just accept HIS works of dying on my behalf. The other religions work off works. If works and /or our “love” is what it takes to be saved and free from any responsibility to GOD..then we are all doomed. You can work at being love all your life. That is honorable and we all do in our own ways. But you still have done and do horrible things, like me and everyone else! Do you think you are still going to be “good enough” on your own merits if the bible is right? Will Allah help ya out? How about any other god since they are all the same to you? Will anyone who believes like you have a real answer if you were wrong and the bible was right? If you are against JESUS words that HE is the ONLY TRUE GOD then you came to that conclusion how? What about you saying to this GOD, JESUS, that HE is not the only one. Why should he accept you and your non belief? You didn’t really want to be with HIM… you want your own way, with all the other human gods, right?

    Rev 3:15 I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

    You felt HE was just another imperfect person, like you, right? If HE was perfect then ALL HIS words are true. The bible says JESUS is the ONLY WAY! You sure you have not turned your back on the true GOD? You SURE? Might HE just say to you, YOU chose YOUR OWN WAY …depart from me …I NEVER knew you? Do you really know HIM? You don’t even accept HIS words. Are you sure you are okay without HIM? Mathew 12:30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that gathers not with me scatters abroad.

    Isiah 64:6 But we are ALL as an unclean thing, and ALL our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away

    Also, All I have said is my opinion too. Don’t just take my word for it! Search the bible…see for your self. Everyone should seek the truth earnestly and ask GOD to reveal HIMSELF before it is too late. Many claim to know the truth and speak of this knowledge from a human perspective. I speak from a heart grounded as best I can in the words from the bible. HIS words. That being GOD’s words….and know HIS words in my heart. That is not a universal thing. Does it make it wrong?

    ….because

    Rev:22?15 for outside the gates of the holy city are dogs,and sorcerers and whoremongers and murderers and idolators and WHOSOEVER LOVETH AND MAKE A LIE. the doctrine that “JESUS is not the only real god” is fatal error and part of satans end time deception. 1 tim:4:1 For the spirit speaks EXPRESSLY that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith giving heed to SEDUCING SPIRITS and DOCTRINES OF DEVELS. Mth 15:9 but in VAIN DO THEY WORSHIP ME,teaching for doctrine the commandments of men. Rom:1:25 who changed the word of God into a lie and worshiped and served the CREATURE (SATAN) MORE THAN THE CREATOR.

    You never really answer the hard questions David. I pray that you will ask them from the perspective of truth not fleeting feelings or from other humans who agree with you. Look at all I have asked. REALLY LOOK David at what the bible says and NOTHING I have said, at least!

    May GOD be with you and hold you as you search for truth and real love which can ONLY be found in the true GOD.

    Isiah 55:6 Seek ye the LORD while he may be found, call ye upon him while he is near:

    TODAY IS THE DAY OF SALVATION!

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